join me on twitter. and that is it for us. thanks for watching. i'm laura ingram. remember, the spin stops right here because we are alwayslooki. have a great weekend. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> the smoke has cleared after the first vice-presidential debate. >> here's the things -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: we will recap joe biden's bizarre, strange, weird behavior in last night's showdown. former vice-president dick cheney is here for a "hannity" exclusive interview. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> sean: tonight, we fact check joe biden. the results are downright embarrassing. how will the obama mania media spin the performances. find out in our weekly segment
of media mash. more shocking comments out of the white house over the benghazi coverup. the entire reason that this has become the -- you know, political topic it is is because of mitt romney and paul ryan. >> sean: we are just 25 days from the election. "hannity" starts right here, right now. tonight, the former vice-president of the united states, dick cheney is giving us his exclusive reaction to the debate. first, a recap of the faceoff between crazy uncle joe biden and congressman paul ryan. without question, the headline was biden's downright bizarre, strange, bewildering behavior. for nearly 90 minutes he was either uncontrollably laughing or rudely interrupting his opponent. not even the benghazi terror attack or the nuclear weapons program were enough to prevent these bizarre outbursts. >> it is never too early to speak out for our values. they keep misquoting him. but let me tell you about the mitt romney i know.
don't raise taxes on small businesses because they are our job creators. >> vice-president biden. >> incredible. >> look, you both saw benjamin netanyahu hold up that picture of a bomb with the red line i. thank heavens we have the sanctions in place. it is in spite of their opposition. they have given 20 waivers to this sanction. all i have to point to are the results. they're four years closer toward a nuclear weapon. when we see -- look... did they come in and inherit a tough situation, absolutely. but we are going in the wrong direction. slower than last year and last year was slower than the year before. job growth was slower than in august and august was slower than it was in july. >> sean: that was a review of the vice-president's unhinged behavior last night. disturbing as that was, when it came to substance, the results
were even worse. we will have a complete fact check in the next segment. but i would be remiss if i didn't include the biggest lie at the top of the program. it involves the administration and what they knew and when they knew it with regard to benghazi. >> there were frow no protesters -- why did that go on -- >> that's what we were told by the intelligence community. the intelligence community told us that. >> they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> sean: that's blatantly not true. we know, this was determined to be the result of a coordinated terror strike. and we knew tour intelligence knew it in less than 24 hours. on the subject of security, state department officials testified that additional resources were in fact requested and in fact, denied. in other words, tens of millions of people were misled yet again by this administration last night on national television in
the vice-presidential debate. we bring in mr. vice-president, dick cheney. thank you for joining us. >> great to be on the show. >> sean: listen, i guess we have to start we know that joe biden los angeles a tendency to be very gaffe prone. i found this -- i don't know how to say it -- very, very disturbing, his behavior. it seemed uncontrollable. you know, i would describe it not only as rude but probably the most emotionally unstable debate performance in modern american politics. i don't think he could stop it. everybody knows there is going to be a split screen here. how do you interpret this? >> well, i was disturbed by it, frankly. i have got a pretty specific federal requirements i am interested in when i look at a prospective president. that's what the vice-president is, the ability to step in in a moment's notice and take over. you want somebody calm, cool,
collected, who asks questions and seeks good informs and makes life-or-death decisions that we pay a president to take for all of us. i have worked for four president s and was closely involved with the fifth. what i saw in joe biden last night, i would not want to see in the guy in the oval office. characteristics that he used to display when he came down to the white house in the last administration. we valid congressional types come down for meetings on policy or the president to report on some foreign policy issue, you could always count on joe, 1; to talk longer than anybody else, 2; to interrupt people and butt in like he did last night. it was classic joe biden. you saw him in the flesh there last night. as i say, from my perspective, that's not the personality i would like to see in the oval office. >> sean: everyone talks about one heartbeat away from the
presidency. for a time last night, i was tweeting in live time, mr. vice-president, it was funny. at one point, i said, this isn't funny anymore. because it seemed uncontrolled, hyperactive, manic. and then i saw a drawments -- i don't know if you picked this up, not very many people in the media picked it up. but then his mood changed, sort of dour. is this part of a personality trait that you have seen before? you said you had seen some of this on display in the past? >> well, i have seen him in meetings, when we had congressional types down at the white house. he was a [inaudible] personality. people say, that's joe being joe. but, you know, i couldn't help but think last night, and his questions, why did obama pick him to be his vice-president? he campaigned against him in the '08 election. joe won every debate.
but he only got 1% of the vote. he's a unique personnel. viworked with him over the years. i like him. but there is no question in my mind when i look at joe biden and paul ryan on the stage there last night, i think paul ryan's got what it takes to take over as president. i don't think joe biden does. >> sean: you know, there are certain things he said that were factually inaccurate, one was the issue of benghazi. there was a request. we did know they asked for security. we did know it was a terror attack within 24 hours. we had testimony this week from state department officials and others, very clear on what had happened here. he seemed to throw the state department and our intelligence services down the stairs at the same time and not tell the american people the truth. that's pretty disturbing to me as well. i wanted to get your thoughts on that. >> it's part and parcel with the kind of thing we have seen previously. they like to take credit for
having gotten bin laden. but the intel professionals who tracked him down and the special ops guys and the military who got him deserve credit. now they have trouble, they seem to be thrown off -- they don't want to give the intelligence and you went the credit for the bin laden capture, but they are perfectly prepared to place the blame on them when something goes wrong in the middle-east. >> sean: how do you think -- when you did your two debates, you are aware there is going to be a split screen. you are very ark wear at any moment, you could be on camra. they sequestered joe for 6 weeks. he hasn't done an interview, as far as may. young they are trying to hide something as rels to the vice-president, one? and number two, how does this play -- maybe the hard-core left-wing looney base likes it. how does this play with women, independents in the country? what do you think the fallout of
this bizarre performance will be? >> i think it hurt him. i don't think he gained any of the ground that obama lost in the first debate. if it was intend to demonstrate you have a calm, cool head here ready to take over in a moment's notice tsure as heck didn't do that. from the standpoint of winning over undecides, it was pretty ineffective. >> sean: mr. vice-president, as always, thank you for your time. coming up, we will play true or false with joe biden's answers. and here's a shocker, the answer's false. patrick j. buchanan and trip transpire will run through the preposterous lies. and biden made it a point to raise class war warfare. mr. vice-president, your boss warned us. >> if you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people
>> i also think he demonstrated a remarkable degree of precision when it comes to. the wealth of experience he brings to this office, how deeply he understands both the policies that this administration has put into place and the policy proposals of both the other ticket and republicans in general on cop --
capitol hill because he has lived this stuff, through his years as vice-president and as senator. he demonstrated his vast experience on matters of national security, foreign policy. >> sean: all right. propaganda, jay carney, was not watching the same debate as we were. there were dozens of lie, spewed by the vice-president, during last night's 90-minute discussion. we are not going to have the time. joining me with the reaction, suicide of a super power, patrick j. buchanan and joe trippi. he lied about benghazi, lied about only millionaires will pay more under the obama tax plan. lied about obamacare wasn't require religious groups to cover contraceptions, lied about no waste in the stimulus, when he was nailed by ryan on that. he lied about the ryan budget cuts were to blame for the lack of security in benghazi.
he lied did the joint chiefs all supporting the time table for the surge in afghanistan. pat buchanan, besides the bizarre behavior, the facts weren't there. the vice-president lied on many of these issues. >> well, let me say, i think in one of them, it is more serious than a mistake -- misstatement, sean. that's when he said, we didn't know there was a security problem in benghazi. we didn't know they requested assistance with that problem. the question is, who did he mean by we? you just showed that the state department said they got the request. today, the white house said the president -- he was referring to the president and the vice-president were not informed of these requests for security assistance. what they are doing is they are carving out the white house and throwing this whole debacle, this bloody tragedy over onto the department of state and its head, hillary clinton.
>> sean: well, hillary clinton and the intelligence community are getting thrown down the stairs as we were discussing with the vice-president. you know, joe, religious groups are suing because they are forcing catholic helps and charities to provide birth control in their health care plans for their employees. so he lied about that when he said it wasn't happening. the benghazi -- he didn't tablet truth, joe. this is problematic, like wasting stimulus dollars. >> there are career professionals in the state department, career security professionals who, yes, were -- requests were made to. they didn't -- the president of the united states and the vice-president of the united states do not micro-manage how many security people are-- who is in charge, joe? who is in charge -- the buck stops where? [overlapping dialogue] >> the security professionals at the state department. look, sean, we have been through this before. there was a security breach --
the president is -- this president is still advancing a lie! >> you don't know that, sean. i know you believe that. but it's not true. [overlapping dialogue] >> just because you believe it, sean, does not mean it's true. that's why we have three -- it's why we have three branches of government-- three. >> that's right. chairman issa, who will-- who they stonewall. >> joe, joe, joe, you know manage about the white house and the administration. when susan rice goes out and she is put on five separate networks to tell the same story five days after this horrible assault takes place. she tells the story that is utterly contradicted by the facts that the intelligence community knew, can you tell me the white house was unaware that she was going on, unaware what she was going to say? when there was no protest--
they knew. >> she said it was the result of a protest. >> sean: of course, they know. of course, they knew that. >> of course, they knew that. i will not disagree with you about that. >> sean: checkmate. i have to throw -- >> that's not checkmate. >> sean: the rnc threw out an ad. we have to focus on something. i mean, there is a point where the vice-president, and joe, you kind of admitted this last night. he came off as totally out of control, unhinged. use whatever term you want, but joe does say what he mean and it is rnc threw this ad out. >> i think the vice-president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. >> have you to be ready. you said, i think he can be ready. but right now, i don't believe he is. the presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training. >> i stand by the statement. >> i always say what i mean. >> you know the phrase you use -- obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion
dollars? guess what? yes, we do. i always say what i mean. look, this is deadly ernest, man. this is deadly ernest. the middle class has been buried the last four years. they have been ravaged. they have been ravaged. this is depression for millions and millions of americans. [laughter] >> has anybody told him they have been in the white house the past four years. >> i always say what i mean. >> the middle class has been buried the last four years. >> sean: they should have added the president's clean, takes a shower, i guess. articulate. you can't go to a 7-eleven or -- unless have you a slight indian accent. >> you know, sean, the second-day story out of that debate, when they both were talking and arguing, it was -- i thought it was an excellent dibait. but why biden did those
things -- he knew about the split screen and to do them again and again and again, frankly, what was loutish behavior. i think everybody's talking about it, any kind of gain he made in the debate, i think he has been losing it by the hour today. >> sean: i think it's going to continue. >> sean, look, i was straight right from the get go on the president's performance. i said it wasn't a good one. i said romney won that debate. i said last night that i thought it was a mistake for biden to do the smirking and the laughing. but i do think he made some good points last night on the war and other things. but he shouldn't have done t. i think it cost him a lot of points that he are could have scored? i think it's more than points, i think he couldn't control. >> it we will see how it plays out. >> sean: we will go over the poll numbers. >> i think he was conscious and i think it was deliberate. >> sean: you think -- >> i think he knew it. >> sean: i don't think he can control it, pat. i think you are wrong. >> no, no.
i think he wanted to do that and show disdain and i think that was a big mistake. i agree with pat on this. >> i agree. >> sean: i think he is a weird guy. troubled. thank you, both. appreciate it. coming up, now we know who won the debate. but i am not sure that the mainstream media does. we will check in with the media mash. he vilified the wealthy and made class warfare his top weapon of choice last night. but paul ryan called out by joe biden. we will check in with charles i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many
>> you sigh, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from. that was what president obama said in 2008. that's what he is doing right now. >> sean: that's exactly what the vice-president did in last night's debate. forget the record, uncle joe did everything in his power to hide from his boss's failures and used the left's favorite tactic, divisive class warfare. >> they are holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. the middle class got knocked on their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need some help now. whatever you call it, the bottom
line is people are going to have to pay more money out of their pocket and the families i know, they don't have the money. they are holding hostage, the middle-class tax cut because they say we won't continue the middle-class tax cut unless you give the tax cut for the super wealthy. look, folk, use your common sense. who do you trust on this? >> sean: all right, joining me with analysis, charles krauthammer. you know, he also said holding hostage, they are down on america, they bet against america. you know, i would imagine if a republican said that they would be accused of questioning one's patriot. ism. >> there are two issues here, the media bias which is as constant as the sun rising in the east. have you to go with it because there is no other way. when you don't have a record, have you to do this kind of stuff. but you notice that biden can't get his story straight. he's talking about tax cuts for the super wealthy.
that's not the position of his administration. what he is talking about tax cuts for anybody making over $200,000 a year that, could be super wealthy in his book, but have you a nurse and a firefighter, with a couple of kids and they could be at that threshold, calling them the super wealthy. i think it doesn't work that well. it seemed as if bide know was making a new policy for them, that they would only be taxing people who make a million dollars or more, which is not the administration's position. they had to walk it back today. >> sean: they walked that back. they trying to thread the needle on benghazi. the state department is furious, as is the intelligence community because they were both thrown down the stairs by biden, as they didn't tell the truth about benghazi -- go ahead. >> that's how these things unravel. once you start tossing people under the bus, and they know that a lot of this is not true, then you are going to get people who blow whistles, in the
intelligence community, perhaps from the embassy, perhaps from the state department of they are looking for scapegoats. the real question is who told susan rice to go out there and spin that tale? was anybody aware in the white house? these are nixonian questions. it is clear she didn't go out there and invent the story of a mob and a demonstration, when there was no mob and no demonstration. clearly, they are pretending something here. and ultimately we'll find out. the only thing i am concerned about is because of the lack of interest in the mainstream press, this -- they could be -- the administration could drag this out until after election day, after which, they don't care. everything is about election day. >> sean: i liked your analysis last night when you you talked about if you were listening on radio or read egg transcript or watching on television. we spent a lot of time analyzing the bizarre, uncontrollable behavior of vice-president.
with that said, i watched a very smart, very mature, very pom -- composed, thoughtful, decent guy that understands the economy, numbers by the name of paul ryan. he got a lot of good zingers in last night. i think everyone was so distracted by the vice-president's bizarre behavior, they didn't pay attention to things like this. >> look, if we are hit by terrorists, we are going to call it for what it is, a terrorist attack. they see barack obama and new york city the same day as netanyahu and on the same day, instead guess on a daily talk show. sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on cars in finland or wind mills in china? was it a good idea to borrow all of this money from countries like clina? here's the problem, they got caught turning medicare into a
piggy bank for obamacare. >> sean: when i watched the debate a second time, charles, really paying attention and listening more deeply and not as distracted by biden, i realized, i thought paul ryan did a really good job. >> that's what i was trying to say last night, firead a transcript, i think you would conclude it was a draw. each side made their points. there was no way to refute all the other points. i thought the moderator was extremely intrusive. i would like when the moderator says, we have to move on, for one of the candidates to say, why the hell do we have to move on? we are in the middle of a very important discussion. we are going to continue. i don't like the way they decide we are going to speak about "x" for so much time. the moderator's job is to allocate an equal division of time and that's it. but i think on point, it was sort of even. if you listened on the radio, the reason i think biden won on the radio, he was aggressive and on the attack, forceful, he kept
speaking over the moderator and over ryan, interrupting in a way that put him in control. but when you add the mannerisms on tv and clearly it was a loss because biden really looked a lot out of control, at times. >> sean: all right. charles, good to see you. i think my yankees will see your nationals in the world series. we are not going to be on the same side. >> no. this could be the one time when you are going to get it completely wrong. [laughter] >> sean: we'll see. game on. we will have the bet on that. >> okay. >> sean: thanks, charles. coming up, the president gave us a smirk. the vice-president gave us the maniacal uncle joe laughter and it was clear that they lost their respective debates. what do the mainstream media see? an obama/biden victory. >> we will talk about the debate from last night. you want to know what we are still talking about? benghazi? if you ask the obama campaign manager, stephanie cutter, she thinks it's because mitt romney is making it an issue.
>> sean: welcome back to "hannity." time for media mash, the ways that the mainstream media tries to spin the liberal news. brent bozel is here. i don't think it gets any worse than a debate moderator that let's see -- goes barack obama, goes to her wedding. paul ryan should learn. go to the wedding of any reporter that will moderate a debate. let's show how many times she interrupts paul ryan when he is about to make a great point of the timing was amazing. >> that means successful -- >> no specifics. >> what we are saying, lower tax
rate, 20 percent, start with the wealthy -- >> you guarantee this math will add up. >> six studies have verified that this math adds up. >> vice-president biden -- >> let me translate. let me have a chance to -- >> you are going to increase. >> we are not going to cut the defense budget -- >> this is $2 billion. >> that's not -- [overlapping dialogue] >> we are talking about -- >> no massive. >> we are saying -- >> defense increases. >> you want to get into defense now? >> yes, i do. that's another math question. how do you do that? >> okay. >> sean: she was just awful. there were so many momes, she's in there, hey, wait a minute, paul ryan's making a point. let me jump in and bail out joe biden again. i don't think it hurt paul ryan because joe biden was in complete meltdown mode. what did you think? >> first of all, when will republicans ever learn to vet moderators before they hire them? >> sean: good point. >> i don't understand this.
every four years they do had and every four years they complain. i don't have any sympathy for them. she started off well. she was composed. her questions were even handed. she did a good job. but talking about jim lehrer lost control, she lost control of herself because by the end of it, she is interrupting joe biden interrupting paul ryan. it was a disaster of a performance on her part. she was -- my favorite was when paul ryan tried to ask joe biden a question about greenions and how they promised 5 million jobs and she cut him off and she said, we've heard enough about that. i agree complete with charles krauthammer. paul ryan should have turned to her and said, with all due respect, no, i am not moving o. i am going to ask my question and joe biden's going to answer it and you are going to be quiet. >> sean: in fairness to him... i mean, he has to deal with somebody who is having an emotional crackup on national tv
and a moderator trying to help the vice-president on the other. i give him more slack. but i agree with you. republicans, you pick a good, fair moderator! jim lehrer was great. let it go. people complained because he -- he didn't interrupt and you could actually get a flow of a conversation. -- >> it's a blame game-- go ahead. >> i am saying, it's going to say, it's the blame game of the administration. they are always blaming someone. they blamed jim lehrer for it, like al gore blamed -- that's true. she was awful. it was what it was. it had no impact in terms of how i perceived the debate. abc and cbs polls now. we are going to go over them. big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is
gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line, but ohio is still a problem. >> another factor in all three of these polls, over 90% said the debate made no difference. 6, 7 and 7% respectively who said the debates mattered to their vote. that is, not as helpful to romney as he might have hoped. >> the debate has not as much of an impact. >> sean: i was thinking that if joe biden loses and 25 day, i am thinking that nbc news -- it's a
perfect place for an unhinged, over-the-top, extreme leftist. he would be perfect over there. >> chuck todd, the political director of nbc news labeled the rasmussen poll, quote/unquote flop. he got it wrong. what is flop is nbc news, the network of chris matthews and schultz and rachel madow, that's slop journalism, slop. >> sean: nbc news. i guarantee you tom brokaw is not happy about it. you have to imagine, is brian williams proud? thanks -- >> did you see biden laughing all day loping on the network? >> sean: i don't know. i don't watch. did they show it? i doubt it. you know -- >> hey, sean, this was our 100th episode. >> sean: what's that? >> this is our 100th episode. congratulations. >> sean: thank you. coming up, four americans are dead. but get nothing but lies and
>> sean: yesterday, the obama deputy campaign manager claimed the only reason the benghazi terror attack that killed our ambassador and three other americans is a political issue is because of mitt romney and paul ryan. it's all their fault. watch this. >> you know, in terms of the polittization of this, you know, we are here in a debate. i hope we get to talk about the debate. but the entire reason that this has become the -- you know, political topic it is is because of mitt romney and paul ryan. it's a big part of their stump speech. it's reckless and irresponsible. >> sean: maybe next, they will
blame big bird. cutter stood by those outrageous claims when she appeared on special report with bret baier, trying everything to blame anybody else for the tragedy in libya. >> what are you suggesting here? are you suggesting that we are playing politics with this? >> i am not suggesting anything -- >> have you -- >> the entire reason this has become the political topic, four people are dead i. absolutely. this administration, let me get my sentence out this. administration has treated this entire tragedy with the utmost seriousness to get to the bottom of the attack, hold the perpetrators accountable and make sure that it never happens again. that's why we are being responsible and dill gent about -- dill jept investigation. at the same time, we have two people campaigning around the country, accusing of covering something up. just yesterday, mitt romney accused us of covering this up you? >> are covering it up. joining me with reaction, eric bolling and tamara holder.
vichronicleed close to 20 lies that the vice-president told last night. this was probably the biggest, no one asked us for any extra security. we have the evidence, the proof, it was presented this week. they are blaming romney and ryan that this is a political issue. we have four dead americans. we had requests for security, they didn't give it to them. >> sean, this comes from stephanie cutter, who called mitt romney a felon, who blamed the death of former employee years prior, his wife on mitt romney. she will do anything, anything to politicize anything, no matter how ridiculous this. isn't about politics. benghazi is not about politics, it's about four americans-- her blaming romney and ryan -- >> is absolutely insane, out of her mind. >> sean: she is guilty of the very thing that she is accusing romney and ryan of. >> of course?
>> the american people, the family of these four dead americans have the right to answers. why wasn't security given, why defense denyd? why did they say it was associated with a movie trailer? why did they say it was spontaneous, when tamara, we knew within 24 hours that was not true. for weeks, they keep pushing this false narrative? >> well, okay, first of all, i agree with you on the fact that stephanie cutter needs to keep hur mouth shut and say, look, we are sorry for what happened. we are going to get to the bottom of it and it is the job of the president to do a full investigation and state department-- wait a minute. we don't need an investigation -- >> no, no, no-- terror attack. >> what terrorist organization. >> sean: al qaeda and benghazi -- libya. hot bed -- >> kiplease finish? militant training. go ahead. >> kiplease finish? there are plenty of militants throughout all of northern afcan and the middle-east -- there are so many cells--
we intercepted. >> we failed in our intelligence, but at the same time, it takes -- we cannot have mitt romney coming out immediately and saying, look, this is a problem of the president of the united states-- he was right -- >> mitt romney was right. >> i think there is eighths bit of difference that you have to give to the president -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: this white house. >> it is not-- eric bowling i. wow. difference to the president? they have done nothing but coverup and stonewalled to make sure we department know what was coming out. we find out that state department has one story and the white house -- and the intel -- >> no, no, no. >> hold on. >> sean: joe biden is the white house. >> last night, joe biden said the white house had no intelligence, we didn't know 24 hours, or five days after-- that's not true. we know that james clapper from the dni had told the state department, he told the white
house what was going on, it was a terror attack. joe biden conveniently last night said, we had no idea. also, he said the state department never asked for security leading up to the terror attack. we have had the state department tell everybody, the world, in congressional hearing, guess what? we did tell the white house. >> have you seen the pictures of the attack? >> i understand your board here, but have you seen the pictures? have you seen the pictures? [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: what about the pictures? >> it wasn't just like a car bombing. they infiltrated the entire compound ---- stop. >> the white house said and stuck with the story. this was spontain nowsious. spontaneous, you have a rocket-propelled grenade and a mortar in your back pocket. >> no, it was clearly planned. that to me, was the worst thing that the president could have done. at the u.n. said-- two weeks later. >> he said, this was youtube--
the president knew within 24 hour what is the truth was. i am told that they saw this in real time. there is a video real time. >> but they see it pre-time. i have looked -- i have looked at all the reports, benghazi, april 6, april 11. they have known about the problems months and months and months and months. >> sean: why would they deny security and deny they denied it. >> well, because there is an investigation. look, the republicans want the fast & furious, they want the documents right away. look at what we got-- executive privilege. >> no. >> sean: stonewalling and executive privilege. >> it takes time to get answers to the american people-- last word -- we have to go. >> stephanie cutter is doing anything to limit the damage. the presidential debate, they have been sliding, mitt romney has pulled ahead. they will stop at nothing to try to stop the lies. joe biden, what he did last night, might be illegal, i am not sure. but it certainly won't help them to turn the momentum back.
>> sean: poor joe biden. >> wow 92 wow. >> broke news. >> sean: that was bizarre. >> he was on something. the opposite of what obama was on. >> sean: okay. let's leave it there. coming up, huge jump in the polls, brand-new polls in florida and virge virmg. how big the momentum for the ticket is. and it's time for the first and uncle joe bide tone rethink their [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar, for every dollar car insurance companies say they'll save you by switching, you'd have like, a ton of dollars. but how're they saving you those dollars? a lot of companies might answer "um" or "no comment." then there's esurance. born online, raised by technology and majors in efficiency.
>> sean: we have brand-new swing-state polls, mitt romney leads in the swing state of florida. a month ago, the same poll showed obama leading by 1 point. in virginia, romney is leading obama by 51-44, 7 points. what do you make of that. >> these are two legitimate polls. it is not like a fringe poll. the tampa one is a very reputable poll. my sense is the momentum is going very well in florida. >> these polls are the outliers, the most extreme examples. the momentum is with mitt romney.
but where i would differ with ed, i think he has yet to close the deal. he needs one more good debate to keep the momentum going. the key state ohio will come into play-- but if the momentum shifts, you believe ohio would go with it. >> i do? should we care about the four out of five polls where romney is leading? the only one hathat had him down is rasmussen. >> it is not worth wasting a lot of time. it gives you emotion, using the state polls. you have five or six governors races, florida, virginia, north carolina, ohio, obviously, he gets those four. he is 266 and then he can win new hampshire, o-- iowa, colorado and he wins the presidency. >> sean: let's say he doesn't get ohio, what does he have to win? >> wisconsin. he has to win iowa.
he has to win nevada. bottom line, ohio -- >> and colorado. >> sean: pea he can win florida, i think you can agree, he will win. north carolina, virginia. but unless and until he gets on, higho, he is not going to win the presidency. right now, he is a point or two behind president obama. >> that's close. >> sean: next week, the town hall format favors? >> you know, obama probably does better than he did the other night. he's a competitive guy. there is a different intersection and he can play better. my sense, viwatched mitt romney in 30 polls over four years, he is a very strong -- 30 debates. he is very strong debater. people underestimate him. he is in his salesman mode on the trail, very forceful. he has confidence. i expect him to do very well. >> sean, i think the president will step up. i think he will freeze the race where it is now, an effective tie.